The anti-Mormons and the Trinity…Part 2

Yesterday, we learned a little about the Nicene Creed – a creed written by men to try and explain the nature of Christ. This is apparently when the theory of the Trinity developed, for the trinity can be found nowhere in scripture.

But there is another creed to once again try to explain the nature of Christ and the Trinity, and this comes from the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod located here:

This is what it says: ( The highlights are my own)

Athanasian Creed

Whoever will be saved shall, above all else,
hold the catholic faith.
Which faith, except everyone keeps whole and undefiled,
without doubt he will perish eternally.
And the catholic faith is this,
that we worship one God in three persons
and three persons in one God,
neither confusing the persons
nor dividing the substance.
For there is one person of the Father,
another of the Son,
and another of the Holy Spirit.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one:
the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
The Father uncreated,
the Son uncreated,
and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
The Father incomprehensible,
the Son incomprehensible,
and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
The Father eternal,
the Son eternal,
and the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet there are not three eternals
but one eternal.
As there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensibles
but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is almighty,
the Son almighty,
and the Holy Spirit almighty.
And yet they are not three almighties
but one almighty.
So the Father is God,
the Son is God,
and the Holy Spirit is God.
And yet there are not three gods;
but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord,
the Son Lord,
and the Holy Spirit Lord.
And yet they are not three lords
but one Lord.
For as we are compelled by the Christian truth to acknowledge every person by himself
to be both God and Lord,
So we cannot by the catholic faith
say that there are three Gods or three Lords.
The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created;
but begotten.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, neither made nor created nor begotten
but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers;
one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this trinity none is before or after another;
none is greater or less than another;
But the whole three persons
are coeternal together and coequal,
so that in all things, as is aforesaid,
the Unity in Trinity
and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped..
He, therefore, that will be saved is compelled thus to think of the Trinity.
Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation
that he also believe faithfully the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the right faith is
that we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
is God and man;
God of the substance of the Father,
begotten before the worlds;
and man of the substance of his mother,
born in the world;
Perfect God and perfect man,
of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
Equal to the Father as touching his Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching his manhood;
Who, although he is God and man,
yet he is not two but one Christ.
One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh,
but by taking the manhood into God;.
One altogether,
not by confusion of substance,
but by unity of person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man,
so God and man is one Christ;
Who suffered for our salvation;
descended into hell;
rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven;
he sits at the right hand of the Father, God Almighty,
from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies
and will give an account of their own works.
And they that have done good will go into life everlasting;
and they that have done evil,
into everlasting fire.
This is the catholic faith which
except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

Sorry, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I get confused just reading that! The one word used in this creed that I find interesting is the word “incomprehensible”. In the Merriam-Webster dictionary, one of the definitions of “incomprehensible” is impossible to comprehend and unintelligible. How can any knowledge be attained from that which is not known? And can anyone “know” something incomprehensible? Now, I feel that is the major difference between the anti-Mormons Jesus and the Mormons Jesus.

Mormons also believe that man was created literally in God’s image, but the anti-Mormons assert that God is only a spirit, that He can fill the entire universe and sit on the head of a pin. Yet the anti-Mormons have a difficult time explaining what a spirit is. The anti-Mormons like to quote John 4:24 that states that God is a spirit. Again, the anti-Mormons like to take a quote out of text and then adhere to it literally. Ok, let us do just that. If we except that God is just a spirit, then by definition we must exempt Christ from the Trinity because Jesus said in Luke 24:39 “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

In Romans 6:9 we read “…Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over Him.” This means that Christ still has His body, (as many people witnessed as He ascended into Heaven), and to say that He has no body is to say that He has died again. For the anti-Mormons to insist that Christ is part of the Trinity in spirit only is a total denial of Christ’s Godhead because Christ has a resurrected body! So, taking this one step further, if Christ is God, then God has a physical body. Period. Mormons believe that Christ was resurrected with His body, and that many of His followers testified that they saw him and that they felt the wounds in His hands and side. Matthew 5:8 says “Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God.” I wonder if the anti-Mormons take that verse literally. Incomprehensible?…a spirit only?……Trinity in Unity, and Unity in Trinity?…..I think not. Logic alone tells me that this is not my Christ.

The anti-Mormon concept of God was developed a century or more after most of the New Testament was completed. As anyone who studies Christian history will discover, battles and debates over the identity of God lead to creed statements defining God, not to biblical statements defining God.

Finally, if the concept of the Trinity is so important, why is it not found anywhere in the Bible? The Bible does not explain how God exists in three persons and yet is one God. The reason the Bible has never mentioned the Trinity is simple because it is not true. The concept of one God with three persons within the one God can only mean that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are each only 1/3 of that one God (1/3 + 1/3 +1/3 = ONE ). Again, logic tells me that God cannot be one and three at the same time. He cannot be both and be real.

But it is true that to reject the Trinity as a biblical concept by the Mormons is not the equivalent to rejecting the Bible itself. The Mormons love the Bible, and the Mormons love Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. They are two separate beings, and the Spirit has testified to me that this is true. IMHO


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